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Seraphyna
August 3rd, 2014, 01:23 PM
www.otherkincommunity.net has been around for years and years, so this isn't a "new" forum. However, the site owner has pretty much abandoned it and given me administrative control as well as control over the rules and the green light to de-fluff the place. I, however, can't do it alone and tend to get ganged up on by the existing "out there" members (to put it nicely).

So here's what I could really use...new members who are logically minded to help change the atmosphere of the place. I would also appreciate suggestions for forum sections to change/remove/add. OKC is a general otherkin forum, but I feel it is far too skewed towards woo woo kintypes and beliefs. I feel like I need one of those "I want you!" Uncle Sam posters.

I could sincerely use help with this new vision for OKC as well as two or so people willing to help as moderators. I'm kind of at my wit's end here, especially when existing members start 'complaining' that something's wrong with the forum because the new direction is currently clashing with those holding on desperately to the old, spiritual and woo woo focused, forum.

Help!

Savage
August 3rd, 2014, 01:38 PM
Stickying until you indicate the recruitment drive is done. :)

Also, would you like docent/ambassador access for a look behind the scenes at our site management logistics in case those would help?

Seraphyna
August 3rd, 2014, 01:43 PM
Stickying until you indicate the recruitment drive is done. :)

Also, would you like docent/ambassador access for a look behind the scenes at our site management logistics in case those would help?

Thanks, Savage :) The software for OKC is ancient and I don't have access to most of the behind the scenes stuff. That is to say, I only understand bits of the admin panel and nothing else, so I'm not sure it would help unless the forum software was upgraded...which I don't see happening any time soon since the MIA site owner said he was upgrading about a year ago. I appreciate the offer, however. OKC is a hot mess haha.

Savage
August 3rd, 2014, 01:47 PM
Was more thinking of an observation of how we manage customer service behind the scenes than software specifics - docents and ambassadors can't do anything with the software here, just read and participate in some of the back-end management discussions.

Seraphyna
August 3rd, 2014, 01:54 PM
Ah. Sure. I'll take whatever help I can get, honestly.

House of Chimeras
August 3rd, 2014, 02:19 PM
We noticed some things going on over there last few times we checked in.

We'll be sure to try and check in regularly and try to help in out in anyway we can. We think we royally suck at help staff related stuff and no zip about technically coding, but if you need any help with links or whatnot that you think that would be up our alley, feel free to give us a poke as well. However, at the very least we can be a member of the forum.

- Spiridon

Tsuga
August 3rd, 2014, 06:02 PM
..........

Anuolf
August 3rd, 2014, 06:15 PM
I won't be much help due to a busy schedule [and often forgetting places exist lol]. But I'll try to hop on every now and then, making an account now.

Seraphyna
August 3rd, 2014, 07:47 PM
Are the spiritual folks there enjoying themselves? Is there a reason to change the place if people are happy with it?

It's not productive....it's wishful thinkers feeding each other and, ultimately, not healthy.


I know I'm kind of being a devil's advocate and have never been there, but this is the first thought that occurred to me. i wouldn't want to encroach on anyone just because they're having bad wrong fun, as it were.

My issue with it is that 'having fun' isn't the point of the forum. There's a fun and games section for that. This is a site I've been a part of for more years than I'd like to own up to. The focus used to be spiritual, but now the owner no longer believes in such things (no do I) and we both agree that the forum should be more logical. I'm not saying to get rid of spiritual topics, but to approach them from a more logical place and not equally fluffy people feeding off of each other and flame anyone with a rational thought.


And I also say this as someone who's generally been disappointed with most otherkin-focused sites I've been to. But why not create a new site rather than change something that people currently are enjoying?

New sites die. That's just how it goes. I'd much rather reinvent something that needs new life breathed into it anyway and already has a history and a member-base than create something I know is dead before it starts.


Anoulf, you already got a flying shlion tackle ;)

Savage
August 3rd, 2014, 10:06 PM
We think we royally suck at help staff related stuff

Not that we've noticed over here. We appreciate your service to the community!

The one thing I very much want to avoid is either the perception or the reality of Werelist attempting to "take over" or force its culture on other sites. It's important to allow other sites to grow and develop their own culture, not to try to make them all into clones of us. There are sites that are more spiritual in nature, and that's actually a very good thing.

There are some specific customer service/site management resources that I do want to generally share and encourage other site owners to take inspiration from, interpreting that inspiration in their own way. One of the best of those resources is here: https://greenleaf.org/what-is-servant-leadership/

Vikaryous
August 4th, 2014, 02:18 AM
I could pop over and look around, if you'd like.

Seraphyna
August 4th, 2014, 08:59 AM
Anyone is welcome :) I'm not trying to turn it into another Werelist, but I'm seeking a middle ground between logic and spirituality where "I have chronic headaches, it must be my third eye!" isn't encouraged, but addressed with "see a doctor" above all else.

Malchior
August 7th, 2014, 12:09 AM
I've been floating around there some, hopefully my presence and occasional rambling is helpful. Let me know if I can do anything else, though - I have very very minimal knowledge of moderating large groups of people but I will try my best to assist if need be.

Akhila
August 7th, 2014, 03:46 AM
I don't think I'm involved enough in the communities these days to provide proper help, and I would also feel uncomfortable contributing on an otherkin forum as I don't consider myself otherkin or part of the otherkin community. However I wanted to let you know that I think you're doing the right thing. If the forum was encourageing unhealthy attitudes, then some change was necessary, and now you have the opportunity to do that.

Good luck with everything!

Seraphyna
August 7th, 2014, 07:33 AM
Thanks, Liminal. It's a general otherkin forum, so there's a therian section.

Lanina
August 7th, 2014, 10:57 AM
I'm not interested in otherkin forums, I prefer therian-specific spaces. But I wish you good luck. I've seen other groups being able to go from absolute fluff-nest to a more balanced atmosphere, while still not scaring off those who think Werelist is too "sciency".

Lithillian
August 20th, 2014, 12:18 AM
Sera everywhere I look you're attempting to fight fluff in some different way. I'll make an account on OKC as well.

I'm not sure how helpful my presence will be, but I might help defluff the community a bit in one way or another.

Natsilani
August 20th, 2014, 12:44 AM
You know my stance on this already. You have my bow.

Heh but seriously. There's nothing wrong with a bit is spirituality, but it's gotten to the point where some members seriously believe in physical shapeshifting, and something as simple as "maybe a mild earthquake shook the table, not a ghost?" is met with a barrage of users who are legitimately mad that a rational explanation dare be offered.

Or to put it another way. It's full of folks who actually believe Spirit Science. XD Okay sorry, low blow.

If we legitimately want to help folks learn to become professional, successful adults, I don't think encouraging them to ignore critical thought helps that agenda. Sure spiritual stuff is okay, I don't think Sera's attempting to eliminate that. Only to bring the scientific fraction to a more equal footing.

cheetah
August 20th, 2014, 09:28 AM
Good lord. People sometimes...

Khamaseen
August 20th, 2014, 02:58 PM
I've made an account ("Khamas") over there, but I'm a little overwhelmed by how... uh... "aggressively fluffy" it seems so I'll take a closer look later and introduce myself. I'm not sure how much help one animal person with a neurological view will be, but I hope it supports your attempts to make the place more a balanced and healthy atmosphere of discussion.

Seraphyna
August 20th, 2014, 03:00 PM
I've made an account ("Khamas") over there, but I'm a little overwhelmed by how... uh... "aggressively fluffy" it seems so I'll take a closer look later and introduce myself. I'm not sure how much help one animal person with a neurological view will be, but I hope it supports your attempts to make the place more a balanced and healthy atmosphere of discussion.

Thanks :) Now you see what I'm up against haha.

Kakrikoran
September 1st, 2014, 11:02 AM
I don't think I'm involved enough in the communities these days to provide proper help, and I would also feel uncomfortable contributing on an otherkin forum as I don't consider myself otherkin or part of the otherkin community. However I wanted to let you know that I think you're doing the right thing. If the forum was encourageing unhealthy attitudes, then some change was necessary, and now you have the opportunity to do that.

Good luck with everything!

Just want to mention, this is exactly why you could potentially be a very good contribution to the forum. You would have an outside view of things, and would most likely hold very different values and opinions, and where there is variety, there is potential for greater understanding and discussion.

Don't let such things discourage you from wanting to contribute.

Not having the time to, or you don't simply feel like putting the effort into such things, that another story altogether, and that would be alright.

Akhila
September 1st, 2014, 01:07 PM
Just want to mention, this is exactly why you could potentially be a very good contribution to the forum. You would have an outside view of things, and would most likely hold very different values and opinions, and where there is variety, there is potential for greater understanding and discussion.

Don't let such things discourage you from wanting to contribute.

Not having the time to, or you don't simply feel like putting the effort into such things, that another story altogether, and that would be alright.

Hm, I think you are mistaken about my comment, the lack of legitimacy is only a side-effect of my motivations; I usually don't want to contribute to the greater otherkin community. I have no interest in the vast majority of otherkin experiences. I'm only interested in animalistic identities, and that is the primary reason for why I stick to the therian community itself, and am solely a member of the therian community and not the otherkin one. I would feel out of place on an otherkin board and ignoring most of the userbase.